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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2009.01.14 17:43:00 -
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 Originally by: PsychoBones Jr
Just wanted to throw out there for the "Fit ECCM you noobs" crowd that this Falcon hit 75% of it's jams on my 101 sensor strength Curse
Hmm, if true that is indeed very odd, from the killmail I'd estimate the falcon had probably a 2/1/1/1 setup, so he had 1 amarr racial and 4 others.
The amarr racial would have less than 15% success ratio per cycle, and the others around 4%.
You dont even need to go any further to see there is no way he can get that lucky without trying for a million years.
So there must have been something else wrong, and if we run the numbers for his jammers against a Curse without ECCM fitted (50% amarr racial, 15% others) we end up suspiciously close to the 75% chance to jam (if he focuses all jammers on you) you experienced.
Conclusion: you simply forgot to turn on the midslot eccm modules in the heat of combat, or capped out to a point where they turned off (unlikely though).
!Lowslot eccm is always active, for midslot eccm modules remember you need to turn them on so they take effect! |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jonas Barcal
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
You are forgetting the addiction.
which is why selling drugs is the best business on earth.
CCP sell digital crack which is the next best thing. 
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: CAiNE999
pray your in 0.0 if hes not flasy O_o otherwise
-10 points your all sentried and the support ships land on your wrecks 
Well this should not be an issue as falcons exclusively operate at 200km+ where sentries do not hit.
If you dont mind the sec hit 
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.14 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
All other ewar is stacking nerfed. ECM is not BECAUSE it is not stacking nerfed.
ECM is actually naturally stacking nerfed. Do the math and you'll see.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 15/01/2009 00:23:15
Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 15/01/2009 00:22:47
Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 15/01/2009 00:19:28
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Besides your example is moot. You dont just activate all your ecm modules on the target. You activate one and one and therefor you dont get overlapping successes. But I can see why you would think that when looking at the other non sense you have written here.
This demonstrates you dont know how ecm even works.
In other words, no you cant fool probability by turning them on one by one, the same laws apply
The reason why falcon pilots cycle their jammers one by one is you can actually see which one is the lucky one, and if it happens to be the first one you saved a few jammers. |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.15 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Amira Shadowsong
Originally by: JZIM
This forum needs an 'ignore' function
Forum needs a "One forum account per game account" function + "One character per game account". Yup, that's what we actually need...
You realize you'd need to post on Lyria then? 
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.16 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Also ECM ships are highly ineffective in large numbers as well as the fact that ECM modules are virtually worthless on non bonused ships while other ewar systems work rather well on any ship.
Exactly, compare with TDs and then talk about overpowered |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.01.18 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Chacha Aha
how does a chance based system lose effectiveness as range decreases? the chance to jam stays the same. the only things that change are the danger to the falcon and the range itself. if greater danger = loss in effectiveness, then yes, indeed falcons lose effectiveness as they close in. but in fact shouldnt it be the other way around? as range increases, shouldnt ECM lose effectiveness? like every other module in the game?
Look at what happened to the arazu/lachesis after the rsd nerf, they lost their range up to a crucial point as dampner efficiency got reduced and thus targets can lock further out, and suddenly changed from solopwnmobile to virtually extinct.
There is more to range in electronic warfare than you might think, look at TDs for example and how their optimal range is suspiciously close to where you are safe from the bulk of turrets after 1-2 mods are applied.
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